Waterloo Region Generations
A record of the people of Waterloo Region, Ontario.

Gladys Estella Seiling

Female 1912 - Yes, date unknown


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Gladys Estella Seiling was born 18 Mar 1912, , Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada (daughter of Lorentz "Lawrence" "Barney" Sieling and Mary Regina Schell); died Yes, date unknown.

    Gladys married Emanuel Michael "Mike" Hartwig 28 Jul 1934, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. Emanuel (son of Charles Hartwig and Matilda C. "Kitty" Ott) was born 26 Mar 1905, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1992; was buried , Mount Hope Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Lorentz "Lawrence" "Barney" Sieling was born 23 Nov 1885, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada (son of Ekhardt Sieling and Magdalena Steffler); died 14 Jun 1964, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

    Lorentz married Mary Regina Schell 24 Sep 1907, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. Mary (daughter of George Blake Schell and Maria Anna "Mary" Schmaltz) was born 26 Oct 1884, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 30 Jun 1962, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Mary Regina Schell was born 26 Oct 1884, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario (daughter of George Blake Schell and Maria Anna "Mary" Schmaltz); died 30 Jun 1962, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    Children:
    1. Edward A. Seiling
    2. Marie Magdalena Sieling was born 3 Sep 1909, , Ontario, Canada; died 8 Sep 1963, London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    3. Florence Catherine Sieling was born 11 Jan 1911, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1984; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    4. 1. Gladys Estella Seiling was born 18 Mar 1912, , Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    5. Edward Albert Sieling was born 1914, , Ontario, Canada; died 18 Jul 1987, Kincardine, Kincardine Twp., Bruce Co., Ontario, Canada; was buried , Parkview Cemetery, Waterloo City, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Ekhardt Sieling was born 1858, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada (son of Henry Sieling and Christina Stange); died 22 Apr 1892, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

    Ekhardt married Magdalena Steffler 6 Nov 1883, Heidelberg, Wellesley Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. Magdalena (daughter of Lorenz Steffler and Mary Elizabeth "Elizabeth" Braun) was born 23 Mar 1858, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 19 Nov 1941, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Magdalena Steffler was born 23 Mar 1858, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada (daughter of Lorenz Steffler and Mary Elizabeth "Elizabeth" Braun); died 19 Nov 1941, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    Children:
    1. Magdalena Augustina Steffler was born 5 Aug 1880, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 26 May 1882, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    2. Caroline Seiling was born 26 Jul 1885, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    3. 2. Lorentz "Lawrence" "Barney" Sieling was born 23 Nov 1885, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 14 Jun 1964, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    4. Alonzo Seiling was born 1886, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    5. Ida Seiling was born 13 Jan 1888, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1967; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    6. Henry Adam "Pat" Sieling was born 20 Nov 1889, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 14 Jul 1951, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

  3. 6.  George Blake Schell was born 30 Nov 1858, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario (son of Ignatz Schell and Anna Batte); died 9 Mar 1947, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

    George married Maria Anna "Mary" Schmaltz 16 Nov 1880, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. Maria (daughter of Jacob Schmaltz and Maria Ann Hausmann) was born 24 Jul 1858, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 20 Aug 1934, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  Maria Anna "Mary" Schmaltz was born 24 Jul 1858, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario (daughter of Jacob Schmaltz and Maria Ann Hausmann); died 20 Aug 1934, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    Children:
    1. Joseph Schell was born Aug 1881, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died Yes, date unknown.
    2. William Anthony Schell was born 1 Jan 1883, New Hamburg, Wilmot Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1946, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    3. Mary Schell was born 1884, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    4. 3. Mary Regina Schell was born 26 Oct 1884, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 30 Jun 1962, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    5. George Schell was born 18 Aug 1887, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    6. Henry Schell was born 1889, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    7. Harry Schell was born 24 Jul 1889, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    8. Albert Ignace Schell was born 30 Mar 1893, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died Yes, date unknown.
    9. Alexander John Schell was born 16 Mar 1894, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1974; was buried , Woodland Cem., Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    10. Herbert Schell was born 24 Feb 1896, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    11. Hilda Schell was born Apr 1896, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    12. Alfred Schell was born 1 Jul 1899, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    13. John Schell was born May 1902, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Henry Sieling was born 25 Oct 1813, , Germany; died 17 Nov 1903, Hesson, Mornington Twp., Perth Co., Ontario; was buried , Saint John's Lutheran Cemetery, Hesson, Perth, Ontario.

    Henry married Christina Stange 1854. Christina was born CALC 13 Feb 1826, , Germany; died 16 Nov 1903, Hesson, Mornington Twp., Perth Co., Ontario; was buried , Saint John's Lutheran Cemetery, Hesson, Perth, Ontario. [Group Sheet]


  2. 9.  Christina Stange was born CALC 13 Feb 1826, , Germany; died 16 Nov 1903, Hesson, Mornington Twp., Perth Co., Ontario; was buried , Saint John's Lutheran Cemetery, Hesson, Perth, Ontario.
    Children:
    1. Henry Sieling was born 21 Sep 1855, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 13 Jul 1932, St. Jacobs Mennonite Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    2. Ellen Sieling was born 1856, , Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    3. Catherine Seiling was born 1850, , Germany; died Yes, date unknown.
    4. Connah Sieling was born 1858, , Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    5. Jacob Seiling was born 1857, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    6. 4. Ekhardt Sieling was born 1858, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 22 Apr 1892, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    7. Adam Friederick Sieling was born 1862, Wellesley Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 30 Jan 1925, Elmira, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Elmira Union Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    8. Louis Sieling was born 1864, Mornington Twp., Perth Co., Ontario, Canada; died 1942; was buried , Fairview Cemetery, Listowel, Wallace Township, Perth County, Ontario, Canada.
    9. Rudolph Sieling was born 3 May 1869, Hesson, Mornington Twp., Perth Co., Ontario; died 27 Jul 1937, Grey Township, Huron County, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Wroxeter Cemetery, Wroxeter, Howick Twp., Huron Co., Ontario.

  3. 10.  Lorenz StefflerLorenz Steffler was born 24 Oct 1819, Salmbach, , Alsace, France (son of Georg Adam Steffler and Elisabethe Wernsperger); died 7 Aug 1879, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

    Lorenz married Mary Elizabeth "Elizabeth" Braun 2 Jun 1846, Preston (Cambridge), Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. Mary (daughter of Georg Jakob "Jacob" Braun and Wilhelmine Prenkert) was born 9 Mar 1830, Wilgartswiesen, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany; died 9 Jan 1896, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


  4. 11.  Mary Elizabeth "Elizabeth" Braun was born 9 Mar 1830, Wilgartswiesen, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany (daughter of Georg Jakob "Jacob" Braun and Wilhelmine Prenkert); died 9 Jan 1896, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    Children:
    1. Catharine Steffler was born 1846, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    2. Maria "Mary" Steffler was born 30 Dec 1847, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 9 Aug 1924, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    3. Jacob Steffler was born 31 Dec 1849, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 15 Oct 1937, Elmira, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    4. M. Steffler was born 1850, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    5. Elizabeth Steffler was born 15 Jan 1852, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 4 Jun 1926, Elmira, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    6. George Michael Steffler was born 25 Jan 1854, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 2 Feb 1931; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    7. Philippine "Phoebe" Steffler was born 12 May 1856, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 10 Nov 1913, Elmira, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    8. 5. Magdalena Steffler was born 23 Mar 1858, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 19 Nov 1941, St. Jacobs, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, St. Jacobs, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    9. Sophia Catharine Steffler was born 3 Jan 1860, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 16 Sep 1935, , Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Trinity Lutheran Cemetery, Shantz Station, Woolwich Township, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    10. David Steffler was born 23 Feb 1863, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    11. Melinda Steffler was born 23 Aug 1865, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 19 Nov 1914, Preston (Cambridge), Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint James Lutheran Cemetery, Elmira, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    12. Daniel Steffler was born 1867, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    13. William Steffler was born 1870, Woolwich Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    14. Caroline Steffler was born 5 Apr 1874, Wellesley Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 10 Sep 1947, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint Peter's Lutheran Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

  5. 12.  Ignatz Schell was born 27 Jun 1820, , France (son of Georg "George" Schell and Magdalena Klein); died 3 Jun 1903, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

    Ignatz married Anna Batte 25 Feb 1851, St. Boniface Roman Catholic Church, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. Anna (daughter of Johan Henry "John" Batte and Anna Leichmann) was born 13 Feb 1833, , Ontario, Canada; died 4 Jun 1921, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


  6. 13.  Anna BatteAnna Batte was born 13 Feb 1833, , Ontario, Canada (daughter of Johan Henry "John" Batte and Anna Leichmann); died 4 Jun 1921, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    Children:
    1. Andrew Schell was born 1850, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    2. Andrew Schell was born 1851, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    3. Catherine Schell was born 1851, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    4. Catherine Schell was born 1853, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    5. Joseph Schell was born 14 Feb 1856, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 22 Jul 1946, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; was buried , Saint Boniface Roman Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    6. George Schell was born 1857, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    7. 6. George Blake Schell was born 30 Nov 1858, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 9 Mar 1947, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    8. Anna Mary "Annie" Schell was born 7 Nov 1859, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 8 Nov 1930, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; was buried , Saint Josephs Catholic Cemetery, Guelph, Wellington, Ontario.
    9. Magdalena Schell was born 1865, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    10. Magdalena Schell was born 1865, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    11. Regina Schell was born 1867, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    12. Regina M. Schell was born 18 Apr 1868, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 23 Apr 1927; was buried , Mount Hope Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    13. Mary Ann Schell was born 1869, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    14. Mary Ann Schell was born 1869, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    15. Pauline Schell was born 21 Mar 1872, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 23 Aug 1904, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Saint Boniface Roman Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    16. Theresa Schell was born 1873, , Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    17. Theresa Cecilia Schell was born 24 Mar 1874, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 2 Jan 1952, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried 5 Jan 1952, Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    18. John Schell was born 7 Apr 1877, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died Yes, date unknown.
    19. Elizabeth Schell was born 1878, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died Yes, date unknown.

  7. 14.  Jacob SchmaltzJacob Schmaltz was born 25 Jul 1820, , Germany (son of George Schmaltz and Catharina Etmaler?); died 10 May 1882; was buried , Saint Boniface Roman Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.

    Jacob married Maria Ann Hausmann 25 Jan 1853, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario. Maria (daughter of Joseph Hantzmann and Catharina) was born 8 Dec 1829, , Germany; died 14 May 1908, West Branch, Dickinson, Michigan; was buried , Saint Boniface Roman Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet]


  8. 15.  Maria Ann Hausmann was born 8 Dec 1829, , Germany (daughter of Joseph Hantzmann and Catharina); died 14 May 1908, West Branch, Dickinson, Michigan; was buried , Saint Boniface Roman Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    Children:
    1. Theresia Schmalz was born 1847, , Germany; died , , Michigan, USA; was buried , West Branch, Ogemaw, Michigan, United States.
    2. Genovefa "Eva" Schmaltz was born 1852, , Germany; died Yes, date unknown.
    3. Engelbert Schmaltz was born 29 Oct 1853, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 10 Jul 1920, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; was buried , Saint Boniface Roman Catholic Cemetery, Maryhill, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    4. 7. Maria Anna "Mary" Schmaltz was born 24 Jul 1858, Maryhill (New Germany) Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario; died 20 Aug 1934, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; was buried , Mount Hope Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kitchener, Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    5. Catharina Schmalz was born 1860, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1860, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
    6. Joseph Schmaltz was born 1861, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    7. Catherine Schmalz was born 1863, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 1923, , Michigan, USA.
    8. Carolina Paulina Schmaltz was born 1865, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    9. Louisa Schmaltz was born 1867, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died 24 Mar 1935; was buried , St. Joseph R. C. Cemetery, West Branch, Ogemaw, Michigan, United States.
    10. Otillia Schmaltz was born 1870, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.
    11. Hanna Schmaltz was born 1879, Waterloo Twp., Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada; died Yes, date unknown.